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Image:Facebook.svg[edit]

This is a trademarked logo, and it has not been created by the user who uploaded it. Also, it is not 'just a text in a general typeface' as the typeface used in the logo is a custom modification of Klavika (which on itself would also not really be general. This is definitely not legal in The Netherlands (where this logo gets added to articles every time because people assume it is allowed since it is on commons), and I doubt if it's legal anywhere else. -PiotrKapretski (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By the way, I can imagine that this logo can stay because of fair use. But in that case, please mention fair use as the reason, because many countries do not have fair use in their law, and therefore some Wikipedias (e.g., nl) by default deny to use fair use images. PiotrKapretski (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And we don't allow fair use here anyway. Lewis Collard! (lol, internet) 16:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many company logos, some even more complex than this, have been uploaded to Commons under the same license (Category:Company logos). Typefaces cannot by copyrighted according to U.S. copyright law, and since Commons' servers are hosted in the U.S., there is no copyright issue here. Dream out loud (talk) 14:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not a typeface, it is a design, that makes use of a typeface. (In this case even a modified one.) PiotrKapretski (talk) 14:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is a typeface, and specifically what {{pd-textlogo}} is for. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On the talk page of that template, I litteraly read: "This template is only for logos whose appearance could be duplicated by buying or downloading a standard off-the shelf regular text font, selecting that font in your word-processor or graphics program, and then typing in the text in the logo. [...] However, logos containing letter shapes which have been significantly artistically manipulated and customized, and whose appearance could not be duplicated in a word processor by typing in "text in a general typeface" are not covered by this template." According to this reasoning, the Facebook logo, which is a modification (!) of Klavika, is not eligible for the PD-textlogo template. PiotrKapretski (talk) 06:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Remember that the template is the product of a Wikimedian and, as such, should not be considered reliable (granted, this is an en.wiki "value": wikis are not considered reliable sources). That comment was just added in April with no edit summary, talk page discussion or reference to relevant statutes or adjudicated decisions. Contrary to its assertion, Eltra Corp. v. Ringer determined that typefaces are utilitarian objects whose utility supersedes fanciful elements; no consideration was given to whether fonts are 'off the shelf". Think about the implications of the comment if it were true; does that mean MS determines whether or not a font can be copyrighted merely by deciding whether or not to include it with Word? What does "off-the-shelf" even mean? ЭLСОВВОLД talk 14:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I assume that by 'off the shelf' it is meant that a font is available for sale and licensing. They have been designed for general use, contrary to custom typefaces that are designed for one customer, and not publicly available. PiotrKapretski (talk) 08:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep: Unquestionably so. What reasoning is being used to claim this is a design, not a typeface? The font may be a custom variant, but that is not sufficient to be eligible for copyright. Per the Copyright Office, "Mere variations of typographic ornamentation" are generally not protected. Klavika and customizations thereof are all "variations" which are not expected to receive or deserve special consideration or protection. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 22:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per elcobbla. Typefaces, despite the (poorly worded) template, are free, and this is one. giggy (:O) 23:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Typefaces are free? Poor typeface designers who just lost their jobs... PiotrKapretski (talk) 08:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    PiotrKapretski, the instructions to render a font are copyrightable (as a program); the end result (the font) is not. This is a key distinction articulated in Adobe vs. Southern Software, Inc.. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 13:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per above. Rocket000 (talk) 03:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep for above. --Jacopo Werther (talk) 12:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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